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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: May 4, 2004 1:39am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Foreigners Must Go

These new foreigners who are coming here from the third world countries, such as India, the Middle East, and Africa are a strange, unassimilable lot. They cannot and will not assimilate. They have completely different values than the American people.

Yet, Indians and Arabs own all the gas stations and second rate motels while native Americans cannot find work.

On behalf of the United Fascist Union, I am instructed to tell you, we think it best that the foreigners be compelled to leave America.

VOTE FASCIST 2004!!
Keep America for Americans!!!!


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Poster: JesusPeterson Date: Jul 9, 2004 11:03am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Must Go

alright... lets not get racist in the upcoming race.. obviously since ive been gone there has been this misconception of the extreme goal.. which is humanity for every human being.. atleast thats what i remember going on.. perhaps some discussion on this matter will be needed? viva le revolution fight the conspiracy

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: Jul 26, 2004 7:04am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Must Go

We still believe in equality for every human being. But, we don't believe in craming every human being on the planet into this one country. It's a matter of living space, Jason, has nothing to do with race.

The only way you're ever going to create real lasting equality, for everyone, is by first creating "economic equality" for all humanity on a planetary scale and, the only way you're going to do that is by instituting a global government that will develope India, Africa, the Pacific rim and third world countries into everything they could be. They suffer because of gov't. mismanagement and corrupt public officials not because nature cheated then in any way. That's their problem, let them solve it. I'm an American, America first, then them, if we can, after we've fixed the mess these blind and foolish leaders have made of this country.

Shifting people around isn't the solution, especially since they have topsoil, rain forests, and the general topography to support themselves better than we could in America, or any other European county,for that matter, because the white people have been ruining and destoying our traditional countries every since the industrial revolution.

Nothing to debate. I've said what I've said and I'll stand by it. We don't have any heavy industry left in this country because of these damn Trade Unions and Clinton giving the bare bones away with NAFTA. We need what jobs we have for our own countrymen. We've got no housing left because of crazy zoning laws and drug gangs turning our center cities into a "no mans land" like WWI. We need what little we have left for the American people. So, I say again "FOREIGNERS MUST GO!

May not be popular but it's certainly true. A big part of what's wrong with this country is none of these mainstream political hacks give a damn about the American people. That's why we've got nothing left. That changes in 2004. I know what poverty and hardship are I've lived with them most of my life, thanks to the landed gentry, hording all the money for themselves, while the average Americans live like shit. So have 98% of our countrymen. That ends now! We will throw down the ruling elite, crush the banking families, break the power of the mega capitalists and take back the gov't. privilege to print and mint money (like it was before l9l3). Thereby we will redistribute the wealth and bring peace, plenty and prosperity to our country and our countrymen.

VOTE FASCIST 2004!!!!

This post was modified by jackgrimes2004 on 2004-07-26 09:47:03

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Poster: glenn Date: Jul 27, 2004 6:37am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Must Go????

got a bit of a problem with:
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""economic equality" for all humanity on a planetary scale and, the only way you're going to do that is by instituting a global government that will develope India, Africa, the Pacific rim and third world countries into everything they could be. They suffer because of gov't. mismanagement and corrupt public officials not because nature cheated then in any way. That's their problem, let them solve it. I'm an American, America first, then them, if we can, after we've fixed the mess these blind and foolish leaders have made of this country. "
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I think some of the problems the 'third world' has are from North American corporations helping them plow under their subsistence crops so they can plant cash crops like pineapples, which has impoverished numerous small nations in the 'global south'

If you look at the mess that the US is in, you will see that most of it was created by 'Americans' and not 'foreigners' unless you count extra-territorial corporations as foreigners.

Many of the world's most notable 'Americans' were in fact 'foreigners'.

I think more than the foreigners taking our jobs, it's the corporations maximising corporate profit by SENDING our jobs overseas. If you are a 'foreigner' working in the US, you are increasing the US economy, but if you are a corporation, you have most of the legal protections a real person has, yet you cannot be jailed or executed for a crime. When corporations do murder, they get fined, and continue to exist.

The US has more people in prison than any other country in the world, and our corporate owned prisons have become an integral part of our military/industrial/incarceration complex. This has more bearing on life in the U.S. than someone from India starting a software business here, or someone from Mexico braving the heat and toxins on our corporate agriconglomerate farms to pick your strawberries, or a Japanese woman studying electronics at UCLA.

I think the idea of "foreigners must go" is as UNAMERICAN as an idea can get. This is not a personal attack, I just don't think you are right, and I think you are intelligent enough to change your mind.

I encourage you to do more thinking about this, in a corporate media dominated world, it can be hard to do, but I urge you to do it anyway.

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: Jul 28, 2004 1:36am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Must Go????

I can only agree with most of what you have said in your post about the capitalists in this country and northern Europe. It's a defect in the capitalist system itself that not only keeps the Third World down but also is rapidly destroying the white nations as well.

Most of the oil is either gone from this country, or fools like Carter and Cheney have worked crooked deals with 0PEC, so we can't drill for it (remember who capped the Alaska pipeline and why) and rather than go back to coal, they're letting it lay around N.E. Pennsylvania, evolving into diamonds, while they attack helpless countries like Iraq, to steal their oil from them.

I've said for years the WTO is holding these coloured countries down and hindering their socio/economic developement. The capitalists, from the Western world do this, as it's easy to enslave ignorant people who can't think for themselves and so can't see the world clearly.

So, we can agree that Africa, the Third World and the Pacific rim nations are being held down and hindered by capitalist exploitation.

A better system would be to take Benito Mussolini's Corporate Statism, use it as a model for "global government", wherein the whole world is united under an axis of "equal trading partners". That way we're all equals and nobody can cheat or dominate anyone else. I just made a post on bontonic about this subject this very day if anyone is interested.


VOTE FASCIST 2004!!!!

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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Jul 27, 2004 7:59am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

I also beleive that saying, "Foreigners must go!" is a tad extreme. The United States were based off of oppertunity. Taking away the diversity that makes America, America, would be wrong and unjustifiable. Now I agree that some forms of Goverment that aid them (affirmative action is the biggest) are unfair to Majoritys. But Foreigners come here to seek oppertunity, escape their Dictatorship 3rd World Goverment, etc. They aren't here to harm us (and if they are, they don't make it out of the airport now). So why remove something that has become a big part of REAL American Life?

*****Vote Canning/Evans 2004*****

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: Jul 28, 2004 1:56am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

That's where your wrong mate. The foreigners have changed since our grandparents came here. Back then they were decent, gentle, folk who wanted a better life and a chance to work and make a better life for themselves.

By contrast the people that are coming here today are the scum of the earth. They're non-producers, theives and vermin who come here to corrupt the public morals, deal drugs, and suck the tit of public dole.

I can NOT and will NOT go back on what I said before. Foreigners MUST LEAVE AMERICA, they MUST LEAVE NOW!

VOTE FASCIST 2004!!!!
KEEP AMERICA FOR AMERICANS!!!!

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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Jul 28, 2004 2:45am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

Well I Think youre being very stereotypical as well as unfair. There is nothing wrong with Legal Immigrants, let me tell you why. Not all foreigners are here to deal drugs, some of them are acctually nice people. America's doors are open to any one. Now like I said. There should be stricter screening procesess envolved in Immigration. But telling people to leave just because of their heritage is moral insane.

You say "America for Americans!!!" Well my response to that is once they put they're feet down on the soil of this great country
They're Americans to Me.
Vote Kurt Canning/Jason Evans 2004!!!!

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Poster: glenn Date: Jul 28, 2004 4:37am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

just gonna consider evans canning and grimes trolls now...

you guys aren't expressing opinions you're just talking...

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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Jul 28, 2004 4:42am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

Well the difference between me and grimes is a completely different plank posistion. I want Legal immigration, he wants no immigration. If you want my opinion. Its that foreigners and americans are people alike. I have nothing against foreigners, though Grimes seems to. I want equal rights for Foreigners and Americans. Majoritys and Minoritys.

Thats my Opinion....And to be honest I too question your age if you call, me and anyone else for that matter trolls because of our veiws.

Vote Canning/Evans 2004!!!!

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Poster: glenn Date: Jul 28, 2004 2:27pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

You question my age? I'm 47, not that my age is relevant... if I were 3 wouldmy opinion be less valid? or 97? are you implying that old people (or young people, whatever your point is) have less valid opinions than young people? or old people? what's your point?


Apparently you didn't know :
'troll' is an internet/newsgroup term for folks that disrupt forums by creating arguments and expressing opinions with the intent of drawing others into it...

any one of you want to show yourselves as a viable candidate, worth paying attention to, tell me something about what you would do to take control of the government out of the hands of quasi-American corporations,and return it to the Citizens...
and what your position is on States' rights, and do you recognise the Sovereignty of Sovereign State Citizens?
Where do you stand on Diebold and their voting machines?

unless you ARE a troll, you should have some sort of opinion on those...

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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Jul 28, 2004 3:23pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

Well for one if people dont want to read my opinions i cant really help that.

But I would have to do a little more research on those things before i could give you my posistion, but as far as quasi-american companys controlling the country.

I think we should start taxing buissnesses, depending on where there stationed. For instance, If an energy company (Shell, Chevron) wants to move out of the US. We tax them more than if they were here. And I would also like to put an initial tax on companys just to leave the country.

This not only keeps such companys under control. But keeps it fair.
Vote Canning/Dwyer 2004!!!
PS: I wasnt saying your opinion was less valid....i was saying that referring to anyone as a troll seems childish....

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Poster: glenn Date: Jul 28, 2004 3:56pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WhatIsaTroll

see the above for an amplified meaning, as if you didn't know what a troll is...

I don't see what's wrong with being 'childish' though, and as I said, you three aren't really expressing much opinion on the topic of 'election 2004' ... if you just want to chat, this isn't the place.

Why should a voter vote for you?

Tell me more about taxing companies to leave the USA...

Tell me why you consider Shell etc. to be "energy companies" instead of chemical companies...

How in your opinion does a government punish an extraterritorial corporation that has murdereda citizen, assaulted a citizen etc. .. what is an appropriate punishment , gven thata corporation cannot be jailed or executed?

Do you acknowlege a difference between vested rights, civil rights, civil liberties, and privelege?

Is, in your opinion, the USA "one nation", and is it "under God"? Is the USA a Republic? or a Federation?

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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Jul 29, 2004 12:26am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

Well as for buissness taxation. I would A)Tax buisnesses according to their location, for instance if they are out of the country they pay more buissness tax. B) I would charge an initial tax to leave the country.

About Shell, they make a product that provides us with energy, inefficent energy, but energy none the less. I honestly want to get the ball rolling on Solar and Hydrogen-Based Energy. And pur Shell and Exxon to work for the military.

I am a srtong beleiver in Civil Right's, as I beleive that we don't have as much as we deserve. From what I remember gun control was basicallly outlawed by the 2nd ammendment. So I don't understand why we can't bear arms at some places and states. The Seat Belt Law. Riddiculous! charging people 100-250$ for not wearing a seat belt. I remember a day when there wasn't a seatbelt to wear. There is a reason we are losing freedom. Safety. We give up more and more of our freedoms to feel "safe" well let me inform you on something. If we give up any more freedoms, living underthis goverment will not be safe.

And next time you want my opinion, just ask.
VOTE CANNING/DWYER 2004!!!!

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Poster: glenn Date: Jul 29, 2004 6:22am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

That's a great idea! have shell and exxon work for the military instead of the other way around...

How would you tax a corporation for leaving the country? Wouldn't they just dissolve the corporation and incorporate elsewhere? Maybe it would be better to tax the corporations for the wages they save by sending work to overseas sweatshops, that way the US government could get the profit from that exploitation.

Civil rights are actually rights given to the civitates (as opposed to Citizens) by the government...
in other words, liberties, priveleges, that can be taken back...

On the other hand, Vested Rights are those rights with which we are "Endowed by our Creator" as in the Constitution... Vested Rights, some of which are enumerated,in the Constitution, specifically, but not all... Vested Rights exist prior to government and inhere in each natural person natively, and are not given by government, but exist even absent governmental acknowledgement.

Do you acknowlege a distinction between civil rights and Vested Rights?

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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Jul 29, 2004 11:41am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

My buissness tax platform is what some may call some what extreme. But its almost fail safe. as far as taxing companies for leaving the US. It can't really be considered a tax, more than it is an initial leaving fee. However, I'm not a big fan of coorporations moving countries and laying people off because of cheaper labor. I think buissness make a little too much money off of other peoples misfortune. If it was fair and morally sane, I would illegalize coorporate globalization, but it isnt, so i'm going to do the next best thing.

As far people being injured by coorporations and punishments for coorporations. I think fines would be the best way to go. A coorporation is seemingly never fined (the people that run it are) but never a coorporation in its whole.

I personally think we should take goverment out of the hands of these corporrations which it seems to be in. As far as campaign finance reform.I think we need to keep these big time companies out of politics. Most companies give large sums of money to both major party candidates. I Feel as though buissness has no place in politics

As for my states rights plan. I think we need to give alot of power back to the states. Such issues as gun control, speed limits,and the death penalty are all things the federals control. However I feel as though that those are all state issues. As well as I beleive Abortion should be a state issue.

And I do acknowledge a difference between "Invested" Rights and "Civil" Rights. I beleive that invested rights however are glorified civil rights. My plank posistion for Civil Rights is that, WE NEED MORE! The Goverment takes alot of our civil rights away for no apparent reasons. Prostitution is a good example. And screening certain people at the airports is another good example. Its time to give the goverment back to the people at least 50% of it.

I hope this has cleared up my platform a little.
VOTE CANNING/DWYER 2004!!!!

This post was modified by Kurt_Canning_2004 on 2004-07-29 18:27:06

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: Jul 30, 2004 1:14am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

Ditto. I agree with most of what you said as far as Civil Rights, states rights, gun ownership and the personal liberties of the individual are concerned. I don't understand why this fell in with my post about foriegners as it had nothing to do with foreign people whatsoever and my point was we should expel "all non-producers" from this country.

I also agree we must stop companies from leaving this country. We must also revive America's base heavy industry and redistribute the wealth to close the gulf between the haves and the have nots.

VOTE FASCIST 2004!!!!
ECONOMIC EQUALITY FOR ALL, FASCISM 04!!!!!

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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Jul 30, 2004 3:03pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

I'm not trying to be a "troll" but the reason this fell into your topic is because, A viable voter with the rigth to know asked for my veiws on particular issues. And I don't know about you jack, but im willing to answer anyones questions any time.

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: Jul 30, 2004 1:44am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

A good way to stop the corporations from leaving the U.S. is to bust up these Labour Unions. The corporations and established chain stores are leaving this country because they can't make a profit anymore and they can't make a profit because of Unions. The solution is simple. You don't want the corporations and the heavy industy to fold up and leave, OUTLAW UNIONS!

VOTE FASCIST!!!!

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Poster: glenn Date: Jul 30, 2004 2:18am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

by fascist, do you mean Bush? if so, are you being facetious? I've already seen his job performance and work habits and was not even considering hiring him... I certainly didn't intend to hire him in the first place

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Poster: jebay Date: Jan 27, 2005 5:19pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

The problem with taxing companies over-seas at a higher rate than at home, is that you are now killing an international economy. These international companies should be taxed the same. Are we trying to stop American corporations from going over-seas?

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Poster: hart noecker Date: Jan 27, 2005 5:25pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Shouldn't Go

Uh, yeah. American corps only go over seas to take advantage of weaker labor laws. They exploit foreign workers at the expense of American workers. Even take an econ class?

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Poster: phantom writer Date: May 5, 2004 11:59pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Must Go

I only have one comment for you. Think before you speak. If I was to really get up in your face, I would probably tell all of you to get the hell out of my country. My ancestors were here thousands of years before the white man showed up and destroyed my peoples way of life.

WE did not war, we did not want, and we lived in peace. Now we only desire for the white man to burn up and leave this place.


Take your foreign friends and your foreign non-paying jobs and get the hell out of our country.

ONe problem, STarting with President Reagan to present day, you have removed most of your non-paying jobs out of my country; however, you left your garbage of millions of white people for my ancestors to clean up.

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: May 7, 2004 2:51am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Must Go

You ever read "Might Is Right", by Ranger Redbeard? America is a White country, our ancestors came here, they beat the Indians in fair and honest wars. That's the way it always goes, doesn't it, the advanced races -who have better weapons- always beat the low technology people? It's a well-known fact that the Africans came here during the 1st ice age, the Indians arrived at the onset of the 2nd ice age. Then they killed the Africans, because they had spears and arrows while the Africans only had stone knives and crude stone axes to defend themselves with.

Look, we're NOT talking about Indians or Negroes, or any of the "traditional foreigners" who have always been amoung the Americans in our country with us. We're only talking about the "new" foreigners who've migrated here since those damn Kennedy's started these crazy immigration policies in the 60's.

VOTE FASCIST 2004!!!!
KEEP AMERICA FOR AMERICANS!!!!!

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Poster: HipGerm Date: May 4, 2004 12:42pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Must Go, but You are already gone

Oh Jack...

I really wanted to ignore your posts and refrain from posting a review to your movie Phoenix: Up from the Ashes, but now I am compelled to throw back a couple of remarks to this.

First off your view on foreigners is total B.S. to the fullest and is one reason why political leaders are leading this world into decadence.

If your opinion about foreigners persists your Phoenix will not only consume itself in fire but the entire world, and NO ONE will rise from the ashes.

Ingorance completley consumes your opinions about foreigners. Your lot of people are extrememly lucky that Native Americans didn't have the same opinions as you do. (but Native Americans is not a subject to talk about because I already hear your typical reply to the above statement and besides this is our country, this region of the world NEVER belonged to Native Americans and therefore we could NEVER be foreigners...which is why you spelled Native Americans with a lower case N...)

Weak-minded individuals are those who think Others always have to do the assimilating. YOU know nothing about life in the lands of Africa, India and of the Middle East nor will you ever if your ingorance continues to plague your body, mind and soul - and therefore you know nothing about REAL life in general, and that makes you a coward. To group whole people into a particular construct and know who and what they are is weak, and that makes you a coward.

You speak of values, yet you value only your own thoughts, beliefs and culture and that nullifies any legitmacy to your values.

Now coward is a strong word, and some take it to be an insult. But Mr. Grimes, don't be offended, thats not what I have intended. Once you have mended your tunnel vision, and revitalize your eyes and use the peripheral vision, your world will open itself up to infinite beauty.

We could even be friends. Or if you like, we could share with each other the tremendous amount of intellectual knowledge that we have accumulated over the years.


Of course we could also befriend those who own gas stations and if lo and behold one is Arab maybe we could talk to them about their history and question them as to why they are in America. To seek a better life? Well does the fascist Jack Grimes deny the right for people to seek a better life.

(And Mr. Grimes, Americans can find THOSE kind of jobs at gas stations or "second rate motels," but Americans are also looking for a Better life.)


Does Jack Grimes care about other people's history and how that history has affected their personality?

Does Jack Grimes understand the who, what, where, why and how of the history in Africa, India and the Middle East?

Does Jack Grimes know why freedom is maintained in America and why there is no justice in the areas mentioned above?

Does Jack Grimes understand that everything in this world is interconnected and the history, culture, religion, beleifs, technology, pollution, and etc, of one country affects another and another...?

Does Jack Grimes care?

Does Jack Grimes understand?

On behalf of the Neo-Renaissance movement I am compelled to tell all Americans not to vote for Jack Grimes and to kick him and the rest of his lot who share his views, out of the country unless they change their views...

Now does that sound very nice Mr. Grimes?

You are a foreigner in your own country, your own body, mind and soul...

Please Mr. Grimes come back to us ...

who are we? ... oh ... we are REALITY


~ Stefan


Don't forget your history
Know your destiny
In the abundance of water
The fool is thirsty
~Bob Marley - Rat Race

This post was modified by HipGerm on 2004-05-04 19:42:08

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: May 7, 2004 2:32am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Must Go, but You are already gone

Dear Stefan:
You say the United Fascist Union's views on foreign immigration are EXTREME. So be it then. EXTREMISM IN DEFENSE OF AMERICANS IS NO VICE!
VOTE FASCIST 2004!!!!
AMERICA FOR AMERICANS!!!!

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Poster: glenn Date: May 7, 2004 4:55am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Must Go - Trolls must go

don't feed this troll

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: May 14, 2004 3:39am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Foreigners Must Go - Trolls must go

If you mean by trolls, I shouldn't cast pearls of great price before swine, as Saul of Tarsus said, I might agree. But, something must be done to change the nature of America and we happen to believe Fascism is the solution to America's problems.

VOTE FASCIST 2004!!!!

AMERICA FOR AMERICANS!!!!!